"Critics might claim that some predictions, whether biblical or secular, HAVE come true and perhaps they have. But a clock that doesn't run is right twice a day. The law of averages indicates that if enough predictions are made, a few of them will be correct. When they are, that's when we hear about them from that particular oracle's believers and supporters who quietly leave out the fact that a lion's share of the predictions made didn't come to pass at all." ------------- Mike Hendricks, McCook Daily Gazette, Nebraska, Feb 13, 2009. click here for the article

"Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary levels of evidence if they are to be believed." Carl Sagan

I reject your cultic 'reality' and substitute the real reality!!
My calendar ends on Dec 31st, 2009! Should I be scared?
Don't give up your education, or your hopes and ambitions, to follow a rainbow.
"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." Winston Churchill, 1942.
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Friday, October 3, 2008

Scientist Responds to 2012 End-of-World Hype

Foresight of Hindsight
Scientist Responds to 2012 End-of-World Hype

Question:
With all this talk about Nibiru and 2012 its kinda hard to believe anything a government funded agency has to say. Because if this truly is real then I understand it would cause mass panic around the world so the government I believe would have good reason for concealing this. All the general public has to look into are either YouTube and other websites that can't really be trusted, and well you guys, who are also not exactly trustworthy either.
Answer:
It is interesting that you ask me when your message is mostly assertions that NASA can't be trusted. But you did ask me, so I will answer.

I am telling you the truth, and honesty is a fundamental value of science. We seek the truth about nature, and we also communicate our findings openly, to other scientists and to the public. This open communication is what makes scientific advances possible. On matters of science the best authorities are the scientists themselves, professional scientific societies, and the peer-reviewed journals in which we publish our findings. Next best are the fine science journalists in our major newspapers, TV, and radio.

The fact that these stories about 2012 are not discussed in science journals, or reported at science meetings ... is a strong warning that Nibiru and pole shift and the like are not real. They represent a hoax, plain and simple.

Finally, I will comment on your assertion, which I hear often from advocates of catastrophes, that the government conceals information that might cause mass panic. This is wrong from three perspectives.
(1) Trying to keep a secret makes the bad news that much more dramatic when it inevitably comes out.
(2) The idea of mass panic is mostly the result of Hollywood and TV films, but social scientists know that historically there is very little panic in crisis situations, and people generally try to help each other.
(3) Far from concealing threats, the truth is that governments are always tempted to exaggerate dangers, especially when they can be blamed on other countries (or even other parties); think of the constant warnings about terrorists, for example, or the government color-coded warnings we are exposed to every day.


Question:
I realize everything that is said on 2012 is an internet hoax. The only concern I still have is the next solar storm in 2011 or 2012. I heard on PBS that the rays from the solar storm are blocked by our Earth's magnetic field. I also heard from another source that our magnetic field is getting weaker and it is almost not there. Do you know how well our magnetic field can protect us from the next solar storm?
Answer:
Don't worry about the next solar maximum; this happens every 11 years (approximately) and is no danger to life on Earth. The small fluctuations in the Earth's magnetic field are also not a concern; our magnetic field is plenty strong enough to protect us and is very unlikely to decline (or reverse) for thousands of years. The claims that the magnetic field may not be here 4 years from now are just another part of this big Internet hoax, which keeps coming up with one fictitious threat after another to scare people. The only real danger to life that I know of comes from a combination of global warming and loss of habitat. That is a global environmental problem that is serious enough for everyone to be concerned about and try to reverse.


Question:
Is there a planet or brown dwarf called Nibiru or Eris that is approaching the Earth and threatening our planet with widespread destruction?
Answer:
No, Nibiru and other stories about wayward planets are an Internet hoax. There is no factual basis for these claims, and most of them (such as that Nibiru has been hiding behind the Sun or that it will be visible to the naked eye from the southern hemisphere next year) are ludicrous. Eris is real, but it is a dwarf planet similar to Pluto that will remain in the outer solar system; the closest it can come to Earth is about 4 billion miles.


Question:
Is it true that the Sun will be in the center of the Milky Way Galaxy [or aligned with the center] in December 2012 and that this will cause a pole shift and massive destruction?
Answer:
No, this is an Internet hoax, with no basis in fact. There is no alignment of planets, or of the Sun with the Galaxy. As far as being in the center of the Galaxy, this is impossible; we are slowly orbiting the galactic center at a distance of about 30,000 light years. The idea of a “pole shift” is also unfounded. Most people seem to mean a rapid change in the rotational pole of the Earth, but this is something that has never happened and never will. Some people are confusing this with the reversal of the magnetic poles on Earth, which does take place regularly, every few hundred thousand years. But there is no evidence that this might happen soon, and even if it did, the magnetic shift would be gradual and there would probably be no consequences on the planet, certainly nothing catastrophic.

David Morrison
NAI Senior Scientist
September 2008

  1. Question

    I have heard from a reliable source that NASA is covering up the 2012 doomsday. But due to a careless scientist, word leaked out. My question is could you give me proof? I want solid evidence. ALSO: If Nibiru is such a hoax on "the internet" then why was it on the History Channel and why don't you guys have censors for such "hoaxes" then? I have four little babies and I think all of the human race deserves to know the truth from you "experts". If it’s real then do the right thing; if not quit letting these hoaxes confuse true issues please.

    It saddens me to keep getting questions about the Nibiru hoax. Other recent letters have even asserted that NASA has posted videos admitting the reality of Nibiru. This is nonsense and shows how little the con-men and conspiracy websites respect the truth. But you don’t need to take my word for it. Just use common sense. Have you seen Nibiru? Last year these hoax websites said it would be visible to the naked eye this spring. They claim that it is a large planet or even a brown dwarf. If that were true, and if it were headed for the Earth in 2012, it would already be tracked by hundreds of thousands of astronomers, professional and amateur, all over the world. Do you know any amateur astronomers who are watching it? Have you seen any photos or discussion of it in the big popular astronomy magazines like Sky & Telescope? Just think about it. No one could hide something like Nibiru if it existed. ... There is no logic to these assertions. No one from NASA has “admitted” that Nibiru exists. Indeed, I have heard of no scientist who has made such claims. All I hear is lies, but NASA can’t stop that. We live in a country where there is freedom of speech, and that includes freedom to lie. You should be glad there are no censors. But if you will just use common sense I am sure you can recognize the lies. As we approach 2012, the lies will become even more obvious.

    David Morrison
    NAI Senior Scientist

    May 5, 2009



The Questions and Answers above were copied from these pages :-
http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/question/?id=3515
http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/question/?id=3810
http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/faq
http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/question/?id=5816


Please go here to 'Ask an Astrobiologist', or search the database of previous questions :-
http://astrobiology.nasa.gov/ask-an-astrobiologist/intro/


More articles :-
Nibiru and Doomsday 2012: [20] Questions and Answers
The Myth of Nibiru and the End of the World in 2012
Armageddon From Planet Nibiru in 2012? Not So Fast
Fairfield County Weekly: 'Epochalypse Soon' (very good article)
Live Science: 'World to End in 2012: A Hoax Gone Too Far?'
Mike Brown's blog: 'Sony Pictures and the End of the World'

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More information
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Extract from: www.universetoday.com

When something ends (even something as innocent as an ancient calendar), people seem to think up the most extreme possibilities for the end of civilization as we know it. A brief scan of the internet will pull up the most popular, to some very weird ways that we will, with little logical thought, be wiped off the face of the planet. Archaeologists and mythologists on the other hand believe that the Mayans predicted an age of enlightenment when 13.0.0.0.0 comes around [ie. December 21, 2012]. There isn't actually [any] evidence to suggest doomsday will strike. If anything, the Mayans predict a religious miracle, not anything sinister.
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Some of the most popular space-based threats to the Earth and mankind focus on Planet X wiping most life off the planet, meteorite impacts, black holes, killer solar flares, gamma ray bursts from star systems, a rapid ice age and a polar (magnetic) shift. There is so much evidence against these things happening in 2012, it's shocking just how much of a following they have generated. Each of the above "threats" needs their own devoted article as to why there is no hard evidence to support the hype.

But the fact remains, the Mayan Doomsday Prophecy is purely based on a calendar which we believe hasn't been designed to calculate dates beyond 2012. Mayan archaeo-astronomers are even in debate as to whether the Long Count is designed to be reset to 0.0.0.0.0 after 13.0.0.0.0, or whether the calendar simply continues to 20.0.0.0.0 (approximately 8000 AD) and then resets. As Karl Kruszelnicki brilliantly writes:

"…when a calendar comes to the end of a cycle, it just rolls over into the next cycle. In our Western society, every year 31 December is followed, not by the End of the World, but by 1 January. So 13.0.0.0.0 in the Mayan calendar will be followed by 0.0.0.0.1 - or good-ol' 22 December 2012, with only a few shopping days left to Christmas." - Excerpt from Dr Karl's "Great Moments in Science".

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Wikipedia article :-
2012 Doomsday Prediction

What the Ancient Maya Tell Us About 2012 (very definitive)


YouTube page: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB-7DZ426DI&fmt=18
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6 comments:

Que said...

Simon said...
Very often science cannot explain miracles and nor can it explain who created everything. It seems to me that so many scientists are atheist or agnostic these days that it really is the end days which are upon us. I would much sooner listen to a church leader than a scientist on these matters, for the churches are full of warnings. Science says things like 'yeah, try it, do it, you'll be okay. We're in control.' Well folks, you're not. And I believe the book of Revelation should be read at this time.

Que said...

Nostradennis said...
Oi! The Book of Revelation is not a prophecy of things to come any longer. It died and became a false prophecy when the Temple fell to the Romans in 70 AD It was a Jewish rant against the Beast Power (Rome) and the false prophet of Gentile Christianity, including Paul. Written in the last year months before the Temple was destroyed, it became moot.

Of course, it has been hyped for 2000 years as end of the world lit but the "things that must shortly come to pass" in the prologue have long since gone by the way.

Excellent article. Of course humans can bend things in their own history to match their perceptions so Evangelicals and Literalists, if they start a war for Israel over alleged Bible prophecy needs, may get all the symptoms of Revelation, but no Second Coming and just more to clean up

Anonymous said...

Interestig article.

Do you know what IRAS found in 1983?

Do you know why other planets are also warming as well as Earth?

Why would ancients go to all the trouble to give us information on this if it was irrelevent or not to inform us of their knowledge?

I dont know whats going to happen, and I dont think science does either, they have been wrong too many times to be trusted and when they do find the truth the use it against us.

Im not holding my breathe waiting for Nibiru, but im not going to just ignore all the obvious signs that something is happening either.

Que said...

Thanks to Simon, Nostradennis, and Anonymous for their comments.

I didn't know about what IRAS found in 1983.
Apparently the Infrared Astronomical Satellite observed a distant object (50 trillion miles away) that was no more than 40deg.F above absolute zero. -- So cold that it could not be seen by any optical telescope. No movement was observed during a six month period.
www.planet-x.150m.com/iras.html
The object was identified as: "A knot of interstellar cirrus, which is simply an area of dust grains."
www.planet-x.150m.com/iras2.html
A lot more information is available from the main page :-
www.planet-x.150m.com

The Sun's output is variable. The Earth apparently stopped warming in 1998. I guess the other inner planets could have stopped warming about then as well. Perhaps the Sun is primarily responsible for climate change. (Don't tell anybody!)

There isn't any evidence that the Maya (for example) predicted anything for December 2012, other than the change from one calendar cycle to another. It would have been better for them to have predicted when *their* civilization was going to fail -- they might have been able to do something about it before it was too late!

I would be interested if visitors can identify times when 'Science' used the truth against us. I could research the details and perhaps determine how much truth there is/was in the report.
(Thanks in advance...)

Que said...

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/06/21/2012-no-killer-solar-flare/

"In an added twist, solar physicists are surprised by the lack of solar activity at the start of this 24th solar cycle, leading to some scientists to speculate we might be on the verge of another Maunder minimum and "Little Ice Age". This is in stark contrast to NASA solar physicist's 2006 prediction that this cycle will be a 'doozy'."

"This leads me to conclude that we still have a long way to go when predicting solar flare events. Although space weather prediction is improving, it will be a few years yet until we can read the Sun accurately enough to say with any certainty just how active a solar cycle is going to be. So, regardless of prophecy, prediction or myth, there is no physical way to say that the Earth will be hit by any flare, let alone a big one in 2012. Even if a big flare did hit us, it will not be an extinction event. Yes, satellites may be damaged, causing secondary problems such as a GPS loss (which might disrupt air traffic control for example) or national power grids may be overwhelmed by auroral electrojets, but nothing more extreme than that."

"But hold on, to sidestep this issue, doomsayers now tell us that a large solar flare will hit us just as the Earth's geomagnetic field weakens and reverses, leaving us unprotected from the ravages of a CME… The reasons why this is not going to happen in 2012 is worthy of its own article. So, look out for the next 2012 article '2012: No Geomagnetic Reversal'."
http://www.universetoday.com/2008/10/03/2012-no-geomagnetic-reversal/

Anonymous said...

there is no such thing as religion end of.
the government know this but they would not reveal it due to the world going into a mass riot. the most evil race is muslims and to be honest religion just isnt real, there is no proof, the bible isnt real. none of it is.
for example if the world ended but life began again, and a harry potter book was found, those people would believe that there was once wizards and mosters etc. the bible was just written so people can follow something.